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January 6 Hearing Day 3: Did Trump’s pressure on Pence contribute to the attack on the Capitol?

Our guests today will help dissect these proceedings, while taking a closer look at how members of Trump’s staff testified about a “heated” call with Pence the morning of the insurrection – one that put Pence’s life in danger.


Then-President Donald Trump listens as then-Vice President Mike Pence speaks during a news conference at the White House in February 2020 in Washington, DC.


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The third January 6 hearing just wrapped up – laying out the narrative of how President Trump latched onto a theory of how a vice president can usurp the will of the people, and select the President of the United States.

This time – the focus was on how former President Donald Trump pressured his vice president to not accept the lawfully presented electors.

On January 6, while speaking before the gathered crowds, President Trump said, in regard to the electors, all Pence had to do was "send it back to the states...". Nonetheless, Pence continued to follow his constitutional duty.

Also in today’s hearing, former federal Judge Michael Luttig testified he would have laid his body across the road before he would let the vice president overturn the results of the 2020 election.

What are your thoughts and feelings?

We take calls, and get our guests’ thoughts on current Republican lawmakers’ responses to all of this after the fact now, and how they’re talking about what took place on January 6.


Elisabeth Clemens

  • Professor of Sociology at the University of Chicago

Mark Jones

  • Rice University Professor in the Department of Political Science
  • James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy's Political Science Fellow
  • Faculty director of the Master of Global Affairs Program

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