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Day 2 of the Jan. 6 hearings: Does Trump believe his own lies even in the face of evidence against him?

On this second day of the January 6 public hearings, we not only talk with a political science expert about President Trump’s and his allies push to spread false claims of election fraud, we also address the psychological aspect of plausible deniability with the director of the UTMB-Galveston Crime and Prevention Center.


Testimony continued on Monday in the Jan. 6 panel’s probe into the attack on the Capitol. Monday’s hearing focused on former President Donald Trump’s role in perpetuating the lie that the 2020 election was stolen.


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One of the primary focuses of today’s hearing was to underscore the idea that former President Donald Trump continued to peddle false election fraud claims after being told those claims were not legitimate.

At the same time, the second hearing leaned heavily on testimony from Trump’s former Attorney General William Barr. He said he repeatedly told Trump that there was no evidence of widespread fraud, but Trump refused to listen.

We also saw California Democrat Representative Zoe Lofgren play a crucial role in the hearing’s second presentation. She stated, “the big lie was also a big rip-off,” an argument that ended today’s hearing.

In this episode, we ask listeners what they think of the new live testimonies, as experts take us through a discussion on the 14 most compelling lines from today’s January 6 committee hearing. Additionally, we find out if Trump’s way of thinking is due to his plausible deniability.


Dr. John Mark Hansen, PhD

  • Charles L. Hutchinson Distinguished Service Professor in the Department of Political Science and College at the University of Chicago

Dr. Jeff Temple, PhD

  • Psychologist and Director of the Center for Violence Prevention at UTMB

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